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GOP Debate III: Assertions, Slamming Of US Media, Carson’s Lack of Veracity, Bush As Lost

In Fact-checking, GOP Debate III on October 29, 2015 at 9:43 AM

Let’s do some Fact-Checking….

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Fact checking is critical when considering the words of any US politician.  It is particularly a *must do*during the current campaigns towards the 2016 presidential election, and it is without question like taking your next breathe when it comes to GOP politics.

Yesterday, the GOP accomplished its third national debate. As is always the case, fact-checkers worked well into the wee-wee hours checking statements, assertions, bloviates, and false claims from the group of ten (main stage candidates), as well as the second tiers candidates in the earlier debate. Actually, the host of the third GOP debate commenced his fact-checking well before the first questions of the second tier debate.

Let’s take a quick two-minute look and listen to a set of fact-checks related to the GOP front-runners: Trump and Carson.
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Scott Cohen from CNBCs Fact Patrol

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000439396
http://player.cnbc.com/p/gZWlPC/cnbc_global?playertype=synd&byGuid=3000439396&size=640_360

Trump & Fiorina

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000439681

http://player.cnbc.com/p/gZWlPC/cnbc_global?playertype=synd&byGuid=3000439681&size=640_360


Fiorina & Rubio

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000439584

http://player.cnbc.com/p/gZWlPC/cnbc_global?playertype=synd&byGuid=3000439584&size=640_360

CNBC Fact Patrol, Scott Cohen and a 360 degree review of the night for those who have a few minutes.
Politifact also busied with many reviews of comments from the GOP Debate. I have posted a Ben Carson representative review with the hope you will visit the Politifact website for more reviews. 

Ben Carson (running game in full fledge operating room scrubs)

Mannatech 

FalseCarson      Says he “didn’t have an involvement with” nutritional supplement company Mannatech.— Ben Carson on Wednesday, October 28th, 2015 in a Republican presidential debate in Boulder, Colo.

Politifact review was good, but my read of a Policy MIC piece on Mannatech was even more revealing.

Policy MIC 

Ben Carson Lied About His Ties to a Shady Dietary Supplement Company at Third GOP Debate

 By Tom McKay October 29, 2015

During the third Republican presidential primary debate on Wednesday night, CNBC moderator Carl Quintanilla asked Dr. Ben Carson, who leads several state and national polls, about his ties to a dietary supplement company called Mannatech.  
“There is a company called Mannatech, a maker of nutritional supplements, with which you had a 10-year relationship,” Quintanilla asked. “They offered claims that they could cure autism, cancer. They paid $7 million to settle a deceptive marketing lawsuit in Texas. And yet your involvement continued. Why?”  
“Well, that’s easy to answer,” Carson responded. “I didn’t have an involvement with them. That is total propaganda. And that is what happens in our society. Total propaganda. I did a couple speeches for them, I do speeches for other people, they were paid speeches. It is absolutely absurd to say that I had any kind of relationship with them.”

https://youtu.be/SZRM8hPe7Uk

Source: YouTube

Carson’s definition of “relationship”pparently differs from the commonly accepted usage. 

“Do I take the product? Yes,” he added. “I think it’s a good product.” 

Quintanilla shot back, saying that a photo of Carson had appeared on the Mannatech website with the company’s logo visible on it. 

“If somebody put me on their homepage, they did it without my permission,” Carson responded. 

The moderator asked him whether his ties to the company suggested a lapse in the doctor’s judgment. 

“It speaks to the fact that I don’t know the…” Carson said before being cut off by massive boos directed at Quintanilla. “See, they know,” the candidate said, grinning. 

The whole response was, to put it bluntly, a blatant lie on Carson’s part. Carson’s involvement with the company wasn’t limited to pep talks for Mannatech employees: He acted as a paid spokesperson who endorsed the company’s health claims. 

In a 2004 video recently unearthed by the Wall Street Journal, Carson partially credited the disappearance of his prostate-cancer diagnosis to the kind of dietary supplements that Mannatech sells, which the Wall Street Journalpointed out are made of “substances such as larch-tree bark and aloe vera extract.”

                                                    Source: Mannatech/Wall Street Journal


“Within about three weeks my symptoms went away, and I was really quite amazed,” Carson says in the video.  

Evidence surrounding the benefits of nutritional supplements for treating cancer symptoms is inconclusive, at best. Regardless of the medical details, Carson’s relationship with the company was much more extensive than he led debate viewers to believe.

Madeline Marshall

Here’s a video of Ben Carson saying Mannatech helped fund his endowed chair at Johns Hopkins: 

A mystery in Ben Carson’s ties with supplement maker mannatech 

        Capital Journal

A Mystery in Ben Carson’s Ties With Supplement Maker Mannatech

In a strange twist, Ben Carson’s campaign is disavowing a videotaped statement made by Mr. Carson several years ago about his relationship with nutritional-supplement maker Mannatech Inc., which has…

Read more at Policy MIC

Yes, I firmly believe Ben Carson has cognitive issues that prohibit the full and effective deployment of his mental process. Actually, his processes commence in a realm that at times appear as Twilight Zonish. When he adds a lack of honesty to his zaniness and irrational aura, he reflects negatively on the very people who have him temporarily riding the tide as leading the pools in a few select states. 

But, I digress in my complete contempt for candidate Ben Carson.

I will report on post-debate fact-checking as other areas throughout the remainder of the week.
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